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Dlw28
Posted 2015-02-22 6:33 AM (#9691 - in reply to #9299)
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Interesting world building*
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Posted 2015-02-23 7:49 AM (#9695 - in reply to #9299)
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Finally got round to putting a provisional ballot in today. There are still a couple of books I'd like to read, but there's not much more than two weeks to go.

Also, I don't really know who's eligible for the Campbell. Maybe I need to research that.
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Posted 2015-02-23 2:23 PM (#9697 - in reply to #9695)
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DrNefario - 2015-02-24 12:49 AM

Also, I don't really know who's eligible for the Campbell. Maybe I need to research that.

John W. Campbell Award Eligibility Page at Writertopia

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Posted 2015-02-24 5:51 AM (#9704 - in reply to #9299)
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Maybe I need someone else to research that for me.

Thanks.
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Posted 2015-02-24 6:21 AM (#9705 - in reply to #9299)
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The website for the Campbell award is pretty straightforward. The list of eligible authors is extensive. I've never voted but it looks daunting- although I recognize a number of names. I need to be on a larger screen than my phone to look at the links.
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Posted 2015-02-26 9:56 PM (#9733 - in reply to #9299)
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Read the Nebula and Norton Award Nominees online


(NOTE: For excerpt-only entries, I've included the Google Books Preview link when available, as this may provide a longer excerpt)

Novel
The Goblin Emperor, Katherine Addison (Tor) (excerpt) Google Books preview 
Trial by Fire, Charles E. Gannon (Baen) (excerpt)
Ancillary Sword, Ann Leckie (Orbit US; Orbit UK) (excerpt)
The Three-Body Problem, Cixin Liu, translated by Ken Liu (Tor) (excerpts) Google Books preview
Coming Home, Jack McDevitt (Ace) (excerpt) Google Books preview 
Annihilation, Jeff VanderMeer (FSG Originals; Fourth Estate; HarperCollins Canada) (excerpt) Google Books preview

Novella
"We Are All Completely Fine", Daryl Gregory (Tachyon) (excerpt)
"Yesterday’s Kin", Nancy Kress (Tachyon) (excerpt) Google Books preview
"The Regular", Ken Liu (Upgraded) (.epub and .mobi format only, part of Forever Magazine #1)
"The Mothers of Voorhisville", Mary Rickert (Tor.com 4/30/14)
"Calendrical Regression", Lawrence M. Schoen (NobleFusion) (.epub and .mobi format only)
"Grand Jeté (The Great Leap)", Rachel Swirsky (Subterranean Summer ’14)

Novelette
"Sleep Walking Now and Then", Richard Bowes (Tor.com 7/9/14)
"The Magician and Laplace’s Demon", Tom Crosshill (Clarkesworld 12/14)
"A Guide to the Fruits of Hawai’i", Alaya Dawn Johnson (F&SF 7-8/14)
"The Husband Stitch", Carmen Maria Machado (Granta #129)
"We Are the Cloud", Sam J. Miller (Lightspeed 9/14)
"The Devil in America", Kai Ashante Wilson (Tor.com 4/2/14)

Short Story
"The Breath of War", Aliette de Bodard (Beneath Ceaseless Skies 3/6/14)
"When It Ends, He Catches Her", Eugie Foster (Daily Science Fiction 9/26/14)
"The Meeker and the All-Seeing Eye", Matthew Kressel (Clarkesworld 5/14)
"The Vaporization Enthalpy of a Peculiar Pakistani Family", Usman T. Malik (Qualia Nous)
"A Stretch of Highway Two Lanes Wide", Sarah Pinsker (F&SF 3-4/14) click here to request a copy from the author
"Jackalope Wives", Ursula Vernon (Apex 1/7/14)
"The Fisher Queen", Alyssa Wong (F&SF 5/14)

Andre Norton Award for Young Adult Science Fiction and Fantasy
Unmade, Sarah Rees Brennan (Random House) (.pdf excerpt) Google Books preview
Salvage, Alexandra Duncan (Greenwillow) (excerpt)
Love Is the Drug, Alaya Dawn Johnson (Levine) (excerpt)
Glory O’Brien’s History of the Future, A.S. King (Little, Brown) (excerpt) Google Books preview
Dirty Wings, Sarah McCarry (St. Martin’s Griffin) (excerpt)
Greenglass House, Kate Milford (Clarion) (excerpt) Google Books preview
The Strange and Beautiful Sorrows of Ava Lavender, Leslye Walton (Candlewick) (.pdf excerpt) Overdrive Sample

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Posted 2015-02-26 10:02 PM (#9734 - in reply to #9704)
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DrNefario - 2015-02-24 10:51 PM
Maybe I need someone else to research that for me. Thanks.

Dlw28 - 2015-02-24 11:21 PM
The list of eligible authors is extensive. I've never voted but it looks daunting- although I recognize a number of names..

The last two years, Rampant Loon Media has produced a Campbellian Anthology with submissions from eligible authors. The 2015 edition was supposed to be available 15 January; however, they are apparently having difficulty getting it completed. I am checking periodically to see if it's been published yet.

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illegible_scribble - 2015-02-27 2:56 PM

Short Story
"A Stretch of Highway Two Lanes Wide", Sarah Pinsker (F&SF 3-4/14)

Sarah Pinsker has reached an agreement with The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction to make her story publicly available for the duration of the Hugo nomination/voting period. You can read it here

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Posted 2015-03-03 5:49 AM (#9806 - in reply to #9299)
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I've suspended my 2014 novel-reading as of 1 March to try and read as much shorter fiction as possible before the 10 March Hugo Nomination Deadline.

Here's my assessment of what I've read, novel-wise: 

Award-worthy (in approximate order of preference, though I still haven't decided my Top 5 to nominate yet)

North, Claire - The First Fifteen Lives of Harry August - this novel is absolutely fantastic. It's very similar to Kate Atkinson's Life After Life, but is much, much better. It's got shades of Kage Baker's Company series. I am absolutely blown away by the fact that it was written by a 26-year-old. If you haven't yet read this, go do it. Right now.

Grossman, Lev - The Magician's Land - I re-read The Magicians and The Magician King prior to reading this, and it made me remember just how fantastic the first two books in the series were. Grossman is a master at blending sly cultural references with damn good storytelling. I found this concluding entry incredibly satisfying.

Page, Shannon and Lake, Jay - Our Lady of the Islands - I really liked this. The worldbuilding is excellent, the plot is unique -- and it was so great to read a story with protagonists who are mature adults with rich life backstories instead of the usual nubile, gorgeous, twenty-something main characters encountered all-too-frequently in SF.

Leckie, Ann - Ancillary Sword - Leckie hits another one out-of-the-park, once again combining space opera and mystery into a can't-put-down book. I can't wait for the next entry in the series.

Scalzi, John - Lock In - This is a real departure from the author's trademark space opera, an excellent murder-mystery detective story in a near-future Earth where comatose plague victims live regular lives through the use of surrogate android bodies. I think there's a good basis for a series here.

McIntosh, Will - Defenders - This is such a complete departure from the author's previous Love Minus Eighty, but just as well done. It's a near-future Earth story paralleling the catastrophes experienced by Australia and New Zealand, where early colonists imported foreign animal species as predators for undesirable native species and ended up wrecking the countries' ecological systems. Except in this story, humans breed super-humans with altered psyches to fight invading aliens -- and end up with an even bigger problem than the one with which they started. Utterly believable.

Bennett, Robert Jackson - City of Stairs - A story of a mystery in a world once populated by magic gods. I really enjoyed the main characters in this story, and the worldbuilding and magic structure are excellent.

Would totally be nominating if it weren’t ineligible due to prior self-publication
Weir, Andy - The Martian - An epic "left behind" near-future adventure with a snarky, inventive astronaut. A fast, really enjoyable read.

Right up there

Ramirez, David - The Forever Watch - This is a murder-mystery story set on a generation ship, with a great protagonist and excellent worldbuilding. Builds slowly to a really rewarding finish.

Watts, Peter - Echopraxia - This is a loose sequel to Blindsight, which I re-read first (something I recommend doing for full appreciation of the sequel). This reminded me of how good Watts is -- he's not an easy read, but the payoff is worthwhile.

Asaro, Catherine - Underworld - I hadn't read any of Asaro's Skolian Empire Saga prior to reading this -- something I immediately rectified by reading all the others after reading this one, because I liked it so much.

Gannon, Charles E - Trial By Fire - An excellent follow-up to Fire With Fire, which kicked itself out of the Top 5 due to an implausible sub-plot-point. But it's still a fantastic military SF story, and I'm looking forward to the next entry in the series.

Torgersen, Brad R - The Chaplain's War - A really, really good military SF novel in the tradition of Old Man's War and The Forever War. Missed out on being Top 5 because the author couldn't resist the temptation to try to tie everything up with a bow in the last 2 pages, but definitely a great exploration of what it is to be human.

Really liked, well worth reading

Gussoff, Caren - The Birthday Problem - Intertwining lives in a post-plague world, with a bit of a mystery and a satisfying tying-together of threads in the end.

Byrne, Monica - The Girl in the Road - Intertwining stories of two women from different times, including an epic journey with a mystery.

Shepard, Lucius - Beautiful Blood - I recommend (re)reading The Dragon Griaule before this one. Shepard's gritty fantasies are a refreshing change from the usual dragon fare.

Holmberg, Charlie N - The Paper Magician
Holmberg, Charlie N - The Glass Magician - These books were really enjoyable, with an interesting, slightly different magic realism basis which prevented them from being a Harry Potter clone.

Wells, Jennifer Foehner - Fluency - I was surprised by how much I enjoyed this near-future space opera / alien spaceship encounter.

VanderMeer, Jeff - Annihilation
VanderMeer, Jeff - Authority
- The Southern Reach Trilogy falls into the category of Weird SF -- and it is weird. But I enjoyed it far more than I expected to.
 

Close, but No Cigar (good, but they could have been great)

Sweterlitsch, Thomas - Tomorrow and Tomorrow - really, really good, but felt like a disappointing, slapped-together ending

VanderMeer, Jeff - Acceptance - didn't tie up the series as well as I would have liked, I felt like I needed to re-read it to really understand it fully but wasn't compelled enough to do so.

Walton, Jo - My Real Children - Auuuugggghhh. Just as with Among Others, it was so, so frustratingly close to being great but ultimately was unsatisfying.

Lotz, Sarah - The Three - I was really hoping this wasn't going where it went. Had great potential; ended up being merely okay.

Okorafor, Nnedi - Lagoon - This Immortal meets X-Men. Really interesting for the insights into a different culture, but really hard work since much of the dialogue is in barely-comprehensible Pidgin English, and a storyline that's a bit disjointed.


Great, but Too Epic in Scale to take in completely in a single reading 

Hurley, Kameron - The Mirror Empire - recommended reading, but not an easy read.

Great Series Entries which will no doubt unfortunately be ignored 

McGuire, Seanan - The Winter Long - October Daye #9

Stross, Charles - The Rhesus Chart - Laundry Files #5
 

Good Series Entries

Buckell, Tobias S - Hurricane Fever

Corey, James S A - Cibola Burn

Weber, David and Zahn, Timothy - A Call to Duty

Partly Read, but not gripping enough to supersede other reading (though I will probably go back and finish them at some point)

Hamilton, Peter F - The Abyss Beyond Dreams

Lord, Karen - The Galaxy Game

Christopher, Adam - Hang Wire

 

Still to Read
Mandel, Emily St John - Station Eleven
Huang, S L - Zero Sum Game and Half Life
Liu, Cixin - The Three-Body Problem
Cambias, James - A Darkling Sea
Anderson, Kevin J - Dark Between the Stars

 



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Posted 2015-03-03 6:54 AM (#9807 - in reply to #9299)
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Appreciate your links, reviews and recommendations. There are always more titles to explore than I come across in my wanderings. Thanks.
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Posted 2015-03-04 2:43 AM (#9820 - in reply to #9807)
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Dlw28 - 2015-03-03 11:54 PM

Appreciate your links, reviews and recommendations. There are always more titles to explore than I come across in my wanderings. Thanks.

I really appreciate getting other peoples' opinions and recommendations, too! Of course, I always jump on new releases by favorite authors. But when it comes to discovering new authors, there are so many books being released all the time, that other peoples' suggestions and synopses are really the only way I can narrow down the possibilities without wasting my time on a lot of stinkers or books that are decent but just aren't to my taste.

 

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Posted 2015-03-04 1:02 PM (#9822 - in reply to #9299)
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@illegible_scribble - I also appreciate your links and recommendations. I have added a lot of books to my TBR list.

I am trying to read some short fiction this week so that I can fill out more of the Hugo ballot than just the novels section.
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Posted 2015-03-11 1:52 AM (#9851 - in reply to #9299)
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With 15 minutes to go, here's what I've come up with. There are WAY too many short pieces still unread – but this is far and away the best informed I've ever been for Hugo Nominations.

Best Novel:
The First Fifteen Lives of Harry August, by Claire North (Orbit)
The Magician's Land, by Lev Grossman (Viking Juvenile)
Our Lady of the Islands, by Shannon Page and Jay Lake (Per Aspera Press)
Defenders, by Will McIntosh (Orbit)
Ancillary Sword, by Ann Leckie (Orbit)

(note that Scalzi's Lock-In is not on my list, because I figure he's a shoo-in, anyway, and I'd like to offset some of the dreck that Sad Puppies sycophants are nominating; also, not Andy Weir's The Martian, because I'm pretty sure it's not eligible to prior self-publishing)
 
Best Novella:
Calendrical Regression, by Lawrence M Schoen (NobleFusion)
The Regular, by Ken Liu (Upgraded, ed by Neil Clarke)
Yesterday's Kin, by Nancy Kress (Tachyon)
Unlocked, by John Scalzi (Tor.com)
The Man Who Sold The Moon, by Cory Doctorow (Heiroglyph, ed by Cramer & Finn)

Best Novelette:
Collateral, by Peter Watts (Upgraded, ed by Neil Clarke)
Seventh Sight, by Greg Egan (Upgraded, ed by Neil Clarke)
Come From Away, by Madeline Ashby (Upgraded, ed by Neil Clarke)
The Magician and Laplace’s Demon, by Tom Crosshill (Clarkesworld, December 2014)

Best Short Story:
Covenant, by Elizabeth Bear (Heiroglyph, ed by Cramer & Finn)
A Better Way to Die, by Paul Cornell (Rogues, ed by Gardner Dozois)
Codename: Delphi, by Linda Nagata (Lightspeed Magazine)
Lady Sakura's Letters, by 
Juliette Wade (STRAEON 1)
The Meeker and the All-Seeing Eye, by Matthew Kressel, (Clarkesworld, May 2014)

Best Related Work:
Shadows Beneath: The Writing Excuses Anthology, by Writing Excuses (Dragonsteel Entertainment )
Lock In (song), by William Beckett (Equal Vision Records)
What Makes This Book So Great, by Jo Walton (Tor)

Best Dramatic Presentation (Long Form):
The Anubis Gates, by Tim Powers, Ruth Pe Palileo and Amy Flood (Worldcon 2014)
Worldcon (Loncon) Philharmonic Orchestra, Keith Slade, conductor (Worldcon 2014)
Predestination, The Speirig Brothers (Sony Pictures Worldwide)
Interstellar, Christopher Nolan (Paramount/Warner )

Best Professional Editor (Short Form):
Adams, John Joseph
  
Resnick, Mike
  
Gates, Jaym
  
Clarke, Neil
  

Best Professional Editor (Long Form):
Gorinsky, Liz
  
Gilbert, Sheila
  
Pillai, Devi
  
Weisskopf, Toni
  
Anders, Lou
  

Best Professional Artist:
Dillon, Julie
  
Dara, Galen
  
Dos Santos, Dan
  
Martiniere, Stephen
  
Harris, John
  

Best Semiprozine:
Lightspeed, edited by John Joseph
 Adams
Strange Horizons, edited by Niall Harrison, Brit Mandelo, et al
 
Beneath Ceaseless Skies, edited by Scott H Andrews
Interzone, edited by Andy Cox
Galaxy's Edge, edited by Mike
 Resnick
 
Best Fanzine:
Journey Planet, edited by James Bacon and Christopher Garcia

 
Best Fan Writer:
Luhrs, Natalie (
http://www.pretty-terrible.com )
Meadows, Foz (
https://fozmeadows.wordpress.com)    
Bourke, Liz (
http://www.tor.com/Liz%20Bourke) 
Nussbaum, Abigail (
http://wrongquestions.blogspot.com) 
Oshiro, Mark (
http://markreads.net/reviews)    

The John W. Campbell Award (not a Hugo):
Charnock, Anne - 2nd Year
 
Huang, S L - 1st Year
 
Wong, Alyssa - 1st Year
 
Murphy, John P - 2nd Year
 
Machado, Carmen Maria - 2nd Year
  



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Posted 2015-03-11 8:39 AM (#9852 - in reply to #9299)
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Well, we have nothing in common in the Best Novel category. I was constrained by what I'd actually read, which doesn't yet include Ancillary Sword, although I did almost start it a couple of months ago. (I read a page or so.)

I nominated Shadows Beneath and What Makes This Book So Great? for related work.

I didn't nominate for any of the short categories. I'm just never that up-to-date on short fiction.
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Posted 2015-03-11 2:44 PM (#9854 - in reply to #9852)
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DrNefario - 2015-03-12 1:39 AM

Well, we have nothing in common in the Best Novel category. I was constrained by what I'd actually read, which doesn't yet include Ancillary Sword, although I did almost start it a couple of months ago. (I read a page or so.) I nominated Shadows Beneath and What Makes This Book So Great? for related work. I didn't nominate for any of the short categories. I'm just never that up-to-date on short fiction.

Are you willing to share what you did nominate for Best Novel? I'm always interested to get others' recommendations.

This is the first year I've really made a concerted effort to read Short Fiction. It's really not my favorite, in comparison to Novels, but I have to admit that I've found some very good stories and some new favorite authors by doing so.

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Let me see if I can remember them without looking them up...

Annihilation - Jeff VanderMeer
Bete - Adam Roberts
Half a King - Joe Abercrombie
City of Stairs - Robert Jackson Bennett
The Boy With the Porcelain Blade - Den Patrick

To be honest, I'm not sure I'd really want the latter three to win it, but they were published in 2014 and I liked them. (I much preferred this year's Half the World, from Abercrombie.)
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Posted 2015-03-11 9:22 PM (#9860 - in reply to #9855)
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DrNefario - 2015-03-12 8:16 AM

Annihilation - Jeff VanderMeer
Bete - Adam Roberts
Half a King - Joe Abercrombie
City of Stairs - Robert Jackson Bennett
The Boy With the Porcelain Blade - Den Patrick

I wouldn't argue with Annihilation or City of Stairs, they're both worthy. I haven't read the others. I've never read any Abercrombie, but I've heard lots of good things about him, so he's on my TBR list.

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Posted 2015-04-04 4:10 PM (#10047 - in reply to #9299)
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Well now, the nominations have been announced. The list ... er... interesting.

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2015/04/2015-hugo-award-nominees
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Posted 2015-04-04 4:57 PM (#10048 - in reply to #10047)
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Interesting is not the word I used for it!
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I think Scalzi has a well-thought out response to the list of finalists.

I'm really disappointed that some (IMO) incredibly worthy entries aren't there. But I've read the Kary English story and I quite liked it. English clearly had mixed feelings about appearing on the slate. I haven't read the Michael F Flynn story yet -- but I've loved everything of his that I've read. I'd never even heard of John C Wright before all this, so I'm not optimistic -- but I'm willing to be surprised.

And I'm rather disgusted that a non-related work made the list for Related Work, pushing off something that genuinely deserved to be there.

But, as always, I will read all the nominees (though I suspect that, like last year, there will be at least a couple which are so bad that I will struggle to read 20% before setting them aside, because life is just too short to waste time reading something I don't enjoy when there are so many enjoyable things waiting to be read).

I'm disgusted that a group of spoilt, over-entitled crybabies have turned the Hugos into a joke as a way to advance their political beliefs. But as one commenter said, "You don't keep the high ground by digging a parallel trench." I don't believe that organizing an opposing slate is an appropriate response. I'm hoping after a few years of them submitting sub-par works that get surpassed by "No Award", they'll get bored and go off to try to ruin someone else's joyful celebration.

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Posted 2015-04-04 5:31 PM (#10050 - in reply to #10049)
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I think Scalzi is completely ignoring the fact that the ballot, especially in the shorter categories, has been hijacked on a scale we haven't seen before. I can put up with a bit of campaigning but this is disgusting in my opinion. If the best we can hope for is some categories is a no award the nominating system is broken.

John C. Wright is a rather well known name in science fiction. He's been nominated for a Nebula at least once that I know of but he is also known for his conservatism and outright homophobic statements.
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Posted 2015-04-04 6:15 PM (#10051 - in reply to #10050)
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valashain - 2015-04-05 10:31 AM

the ballot, especially in the shorter categories, has been hijacked on a scale we haven't seen before. I can put up with a bit of campaigning but this is disgusting in my opinion. If the best we can hope for is some categories is a no award the nominating system is broken.

Agreed. But I don't think trashing the current process is the answer. I think the solution is for those of us who love SFF to get others who love it involved in the process as well. Calculations show that just 50 people voting in lockstep were likely enough to secure most of the SP finalists. 2,100 nominators is a tiny number of people, considering the number of people who actually read SFF, based on book sales numbers. I don't think we (as fandom who know how the Hugos work) are doing enough to publicize and draw in other fans, most of whom don't realize that it's not the purview of elites -- that anyone who pays a small fee is able to nominate and vote.

It turns out that, contrary to claims that everyone on the Sad Puppies slate was asked if they wanted to be on the slate, at least 4 (likely more) of them weren't. One of the Fan Writer nominees was shocked to be notified that he was a finalist, and he removed himself from the ballot. He's done a very lengthy and thoughtful analysis of why he disagrees with SP's stated motivations here. (when I say lengthy, I mean lengthy)

The fan writers at Lady Business had a Recommendations spreadsheet set up this past year for anyone who wished to submit books and stories they felt were awesome enough to win a Hugo (sadly, I found it only after nominations had closed). However, they've set up one for 2015 here. I've bookmarked this, and plan to both contribute to it, and get reading suggestions from it, as the year goes on.


Yeah, this sucks. But I think it can be turned to positive effect, if we use it as incentive to draw more SFF fans into the Hugo nominating and voting process. 

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(1)I am certainly feeling a sense of deja vu from last year
(2) I'm going off to read the links that you provided illegible_scribble.
(3) I'd never heard of John C. Wright until I added some books that a member requested.
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illegible_scribble - 2015-04-05 1:15 AM

valashain - 2015-04-05 10:31 AM

the ballot, especially in the shorter categories, has been hijacked on a scale we haven't seen before. I can put up with a bit of campaigning but this is disgusting in my opinion. If the best we can hope for is some categories is a no award the nominating system is broken.

Agreed. But I don't think trashingthe current processis the answer. I think the solution is for those of us who love SFF to get others who love it involved in the process as well. Calculations show that just 50 people voting in lockstep were likely enough to secure most of the SP finalists. 2,100 nominators is a tinynumber of people, considering the number of people who actually read SFF, based on book sales numbers. I don't think we (as fandom who know how the Hugos work) are doing enough to publicize and draw in other fans, most of whom don't realize that it's not the purview of elites --thatanyonewho pays a small fee is able to nominate and vote.



That is exactly it. For a popularity contest, only a very small number of people actually determine the ballot. With a bit of work on this it can't be that hard to get more people to vote. If they could even get it in the five digit range it would be a lot harder to manipulate (and probably a better reflection of what is popular). I've said something similar after Thomas Olde Heuvelt got himself nominated with a bit of clever campaigning a few years back. As much as I like some of his work, he had no business on that ballot (yet).
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Posted 2015-04-06 9:24 AM (#10065 - in reply to #10051)
Subject: Re: 2015 Hugo Awards Discussion



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illegible_scribble - 2015-04-04 6:15 PM

It turns out that, contrary to claims that everyone on the Sad Puppiesslate was asked if they wanted to be on the slate,at least 4 (likely more) of themweren't. One of the Fan Writer nominees was shocked to be notified that he was a finalist, andhe removed himself from the ballot. He's done a very lengthy and thoughtful analysis of why he disagrees with SP's stated motivations here



What a great blog! It makes some excellent points about Sad Puppies trying to change a fandom that they feel excluded from rather than building a fandom (or promoting a fandom) where they feel accepted. I've been very lucky to attend one Worldcon (when it was nearby in San Antonio) and it was a fantastic experience that I'd like to try again now that I've got better social anxiety meds and have decided that I won't go to another con where I'm not spending the extra money to stay in the hotel. Everyone seemed very nice and it was awesome to get to talk to people who have been going to Worldcon for 20 years (or more) and how their perception of genre and fandom has evolved. I also enjoyed getting to vote (though 2312 didn't win Best Novel as I had hoped), but was able to keep it in perspective of what the award is and is not. Personally, I've found other awards more closely match my tastes and have put effort into reading outside of my comfort zone.

...but as good as that blog is I've learned that you can't argue people out of their beliefs, even calmly and logically. In fact, trying to show someone where they are wrong usually leads to them digging in harder. I have hopes that they'll lose interest and that the Worldcon fandom can rally until then.
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